Remember to Breathe

Charlie,

Back so soon? Apparently you have re-engaged your same ole' approach of vilifying a former President with the same old "slither"-ing comments 100 days into President Obama's reign, I mean presidency. I suppose you'll be talking about the past for the next thousand years, though you voted for a man that promised to look forward.

It would be somewhat appropriate if you would apply the same rule to yourself as you apparently applied to President Obama. You said of his international diplomacy that, "The agenda is long, and the broken and neglected fences between the USA and its natural allies need attention. Just being willing to talk and listen--even to the thugs like Chavez and Castro--is a huge forward step. It's been a long while since we didn't feel like wincing [another Charlie zinger] when our President traveled abroad."

Where in the world is your kindred spirit with Obama, that apparently fails to comply with the great leaders own act of kindness toward harsh critics if not arch enemies of this nation while continuing your incessant if not incorrigible tirades about a man who now lives in Texas.Your past cry for a return to unity in this country is vacuous in my opinion as long as you continue to wink at dictatorial haters of America while failing to thank Bush for keeping you and the rest of us safe since 9/11. You MUST admit that that is much more than Chavez or Castro the magnificent ever did for us!

Furthermore, the mantra that Bush's policies alone were the culprits of this world-wide recession is ludicrous. Though it would be foolish to say that some of Bush's policies were not partially to blame, you know, though you hope others don't, that the Democrats were primarily responsible for the Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae debacle that resulted in a collapse of home values which catapulted others venues into a gigantic recession. (Lehman Bro. and AIG along with others got into most of their trouble playing in the real estate game)

A quick view of youtube.com with the search words Democrats and Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac will rectify such phony information. Not one Democratic stood against the pathetic push for people who simply could not afford a house to have the divine right to own one. And not one Republican who spoke at those hearings said anything that did not contain a dire warning of coming collapse if such policies stayed in existence.

Try the keywords, Barny Frank and Christopher Dodd with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac and see what is real and what isn't.

Of course, Hitler said, tell a lie often enough and the people will finally believe it.

I for one am sick of politicians vilifying America before every Tom, Dick and Harry as well as apologizing to Europe (the people we defended against tyrants in the past with American blood) as well as cozying up to American hating despots like Chavez and Castro. What is this country coming to when people like you are talking the way your are.

By the way, what was the fruit of such cozying up. HEADLINE: Dateline: April 24, 2009. Chavez and Castro among those who signed a declaration: READ THE FOLLOWING:

1. Capitalism is leading humanity and the planet to extinction. What we are experiencing is a global economic crisis of a systemic and structural nature, not another cyclic crisis. Those who think that with a taxpayer money injection and some regulatory measures this crisis will end are wrong. The financial system is in crisis because it trades bonds with six times the real value of the assets and services produced and rendered in the world, this is not a "system regulation failure", but a integrating part of the capitalist system that speculates with all assets and values with a view to obtain the maximum profit possible. Until now, the economic crisis has generated over 100 million additional hungry persons and has slashed over 50 million jobs, and these figures show an upward trend.

My Response: ONLY SOCIALISTS WOULD AGREE WITH THEIR ASSESSMENT!

Apparently President Obama's niceties and overtures to Murdering Dictators didn't have the hoped for effect. Kind of reminds me of Chamberlain's meeting with Hitler before Hitler laughed his way to a World War while dragging 6,000,000 Jews down to the crematorium. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Of course, as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano warned, it's people like me who are against putting to death unborn babies in, of all places, their mother's womb who we're supposed to be afraid of. WHO SAW IT COMING?

P.S. I don't even know how to argue anymore with such absurdity!

Roy Hargrave

Sherry,

Have you asked Charlie to be "respectful of others," including a past President of the United States? I don't mean that to put you down, but it seems that the standard varies according to one's political views. And, by the way, Charlie is a big boy and can therefore take care of himself.

Apparently dissent seems to irritate some who want the free exercise of opinion without opposing views. The fairness doctrinaires should at least want balance. Just because I disagree with one's political philosophy doesn't mean that I hate the person holding them. Maybe you should read Charlie's present and past blogs a little more carefully, you may find that the pot may be calling the kettle black.

Furthermore, you only seem to engage in snide comments to me in your response, for not once did you actually address the substance of any of my responses to Charlie's blog. Does, "Please be respectful of others," apply to thee?

And just in case you didn't notice, I didn't argue every point Charlie made as you allege. I only picked a couple that stood out more than others, the rest I may address later.

In closing, check your records, Charlie's blog contains 1306 words, my response contained 776 words. Maybe my philosophy is what skewed your perceived judgment in the matter. Apparently, conservative views bore you faster than liberal views.

As far as your personal statement referring to my sermons, which in itself seems to be rather odd and certainly not a moot point in this context, I can only say that God has blessed me with the innate ability to walk and talk at the same time.

I hope this response is short enough for you and I certainly hope you don't take it personally, for I hold your right to say what you've said in this public blog an important and vital element of the freedoms we've enjoyed in this country to this point.

But of course, that may change soon, if people I know have their way in the matter.

Roy Hargrave

Sherry,

How did you know that it said the same thing over and over again if you didn't read it? JUST KIDDING!

Come on Sherry, don't take it so personally. I know you, you're stronger than that. Maybe you can teach me something or visa-versa. That's one of the ways people learn, by listening to the other side and responding out of one's convictions.

We're ole' Rector friends, let us agree to disagree and still actually be friends. I hope you change your mind, I think you are one of the neatest Rector people I grew up knowing as a young boy.

RAH

finallyfine:

Sorry for the confusion of my last post. However, I suppose you will read Charlie's abrasive missives that are of a liberal bent aimed at Republicans, but you will not abide the "debating style [that is] so abrasive," of a conservative bent.

I agree, you have the right to block out what you don't agree with. How one learns with that mindset is beyond me, but to each his own.

By the way, not one Democrat has actually addressed the issues I brought up in my response to Charlie, but they've apparently felt comfortable vilifying the messenger.

Perhaps a new Democrat's only perspective page should be created to avoid stealing someone's peace. Blogs typically aren't the place to find such peace, it is a place of lively debate for those who aren't excessively creeped out by passionate and at times persuasive dissent.

RAH (the abrasive one)

Ronnie,

I always knew that the best man at my wedding in 74 was smarter than the average bear. I agree, Ronnie, the Republicans are not standing strong against the far-reaching spending that our great, great grand-children will never be able to pay back. Forget the billion dollar deficits of the past, we're now in the playground of trillions upon trillions. A future of debt that will bring our nation down to the grave of human history unless God intervenes.

By the way, I'm glad you showed up, I felt like a conservative guest on "The View." Most people today seem to want an over-active government that takes care of them. I'm in the camp that thinks God is our sustainer not Uncle Sam. I hope we can be brought back to a point of equilibrium before we fall headlong into the coming one-world order and lose our sovereignty altogether.

Uncle Sam deliver us, oops! I mean God bless us.

RAH

Welcome back Carlie, I missed the political fires you stoke weekly.

I wanted to stop by and share my new favorite place, which is always good for liberal rage :)

http://www.thefoxnation.com/

Perhpas its time everyone remembers how it started.

The Preamble of our National Platform states:

- "The Constitution for the United States of America was established as an inspired ensign and standard of liberty for all. It is the only constitution based foremost upon the rights and liberties of a free and independent people who are superior to government, having government as their servant rather than as their master. We revere the founding documents of America, honor the men who framed them, and ascribe all honor and glory to the God who inspired them. We claim, second to worshiping God, that our greatest responsibility as Americans is vigilance in protecting our God-given Constitution and rights, both for ourselves and our posterity.

- We assert that we are in a Constitutional crisis. The major provisions of the Constitution are being compromised and our God-given rights are being intruded upon or eliminated at an alarming rate. Our educational, economic, social, and political institutions are becoming more perverted. The rights and nature of our national sovereignty, Judeo-Christian heritage, and traditional family, are under escalating attack. We solemnly declare that our Constitution, liberties, and national sovereignty currently hang by a thread. We assert that institutionalized corruption and the loss of our rights and liberties are unconstitutional, unacceptable and inexcusable.

- We claim that our Constitutional Republic can still be fully restored by lawful means, but only to the extent that We The People stand united and vigilant, as never before, in the cause of freedom. "The people [not government]... are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." Thomas Jefferson"

- The forces of totalitarianism are attacking our basic Freedoms and principles enumerated in the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution. We are now embroiled in a desperate battle with these forces to retain Freedoms bequeathed to us by the Founders.

- I am convinced that we shall be victorious in retaining our Freedom and defeating the elitist organizations that have control of our governmental process. The Spirit of Freedom is moving in mighty power among the people in our nation. The great majority of Americans still believe in the basic concepts of limited government and Freedom for all people. There are literally thousands of groups springing up now all across America dedicated to defending Freedom in one area or another. I quote from Richard Paul Evans in his book "The Letter":

- "It is often during the worst of times that we see the best of humanity -- awakening within the most ordinary of us that which is most sublime. I do not believe that it is the circumstances that produce such greatness anymore than it is the canvas that makes the artist. Adversity merely presents the surface on which we render our souls" most exacting likeness. It is in the darkest skies that the stars are best seen."

- The greatness he speaks about lies within all of us. Our potentials are largely untapped. Let us therefore go forward in this epic endeavor to preserve Freedom and exercise the leadership that Americans expect and deserve. To paraphrase a statement made by Sir Winston Churchill in the dark days of the Battle of Britain, "Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, looking back on our victory, generations yet unborn will say, "This was Freedom"s finest hour!"

1976 Republican Platform: Preamble

- We believe that liberty can be measured by how much freedom you have to make your own decisions -- even your own mistakes. Government must step in when your liberties impinge on your neighbor's. Government must protect your constitutional rights. Government must deal with other governments and protect you from aggressors. Government must assure equal opportunity. And government must be compassionate in caring for those citizens who are unable to care for themselves.

- Our federal system of local-state-national government is designed to sort out on what level these actions should be taken. Those concerns of a national character -- such as air and water pollution that do not respect state boundaries or the national transportation system or efforts to safeguard your civil liberties -- must, of course, be handled on the national level.

- As a general rule, however, we believe that government action should be taken first by the government that resides as close to you as possible. Governments tend to become less responsive to your needs the farther away they are from you. Thus, we prefer local and state government to national government, and decentralized national government wherever possible.

- We also believe that you, often acting through voluntary organizations, should have the opportunity to solve many of the social problems of your community. This spirit of freely helping others is uniquely American and should be encouraged in every way by government.

- Every dollar spent by government is a dollar earned by you. Government must always ask: Are your dollars being wisely spent? Can we afford it? Is it not better for the country to leave your dollars in your pocket?

- Your elected officials, their appointees, and government workers are expected to perform their public acts with honesty, openness, diligence, and special integrity. At the heart of our system must be confidence that these people are always working for you.

- We believe that your initiative and energy create jobs, our standard of living and the underlying economic strength of the country. Government must work for the goal of justice and the elimination of unfair practices, but no government has yet designed a more productive economic system or one which benefits as many people.

- The beauty of our land is our legacy to our children. It must be protected by us so that they can pass it on intact to their children.

- The United States must always stand for peace and liberty in the world and the rights of the individual. We must form sturdy partnerships with our allies for the preservation of freedom. We must be ever willing to negotiate differences, but equally mindful that there are American ideals that cannot be compromised. Given that there are other nations with potentially hostile designs, we recognize that we can reach our goals only while maintaining a superior national defense.

Democratic Party Platform of 1872 - July 9th, 1872

We, the Democratic Electors of the United States in Convention assembled, do present the following principles, already adopted at Cincinnati, as essential to just government.

1. We recognize the equality of all men before the law, and hold that it is the duty of the Government in its dealings with the people to mete out equal and exact justice to all, of whatever nativity, race, color or persuasion, religion or politics.

2. We pledge ourselves to maintain the union of these States, emancipation and enfranchisement; and to oppose any reopening of the questions settled by the thirteenth, fourteenth and fifteenth amendments of the Constitution.

3. We demand the immediate and absolute removal of all disabilities imposed on account of the rebellion which was finally subdued seven years ago, believing that universal amnesty will result in complete pacification in all sections of the country.

4. Local self-government, with impartial suffrage, will guard the rights of all citizens more securely than any centralized power. The public welfare requires the supremacy of the civil over the military authority, and the freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus. We demand for the individual the largest liberty consistent with public order; for the State, self-government, and for the Nation a return to the methods of peace and the constitutional limitations of power.

5. The Civil Service of the Government has become a mere instrument of partisan tyranny and personal ambition, and an object of selfish greed. It is a scandal and reproach upon free institutions, and it breeds a demoralization dangerous to the perpetuity of Republican Government.

6. We therefore regard a thorough reform of the Civil Service as one of the most pressing necessities of the hour; that honesty, capacity, and fidelity constitute the only valid claim to public employment; that the offices of the Government cease to be a matter of arbitrary favoritism and patronage, and that public station shall become again a place of honor. To this end it is imperatively required that no President shall be a candidate for re-election.

7. We demand a system of Federal taxation which shall not unnecessarily interfere with the industry of the people and which shall provide the means necessary to pay the expenses of the Government, economically administered, the pensions, the interest on the public debt, and a moderate annual reduction of the principal thereof; and recognizing that there are in our midst honest but irreconcilable differences of opinion with regard to the respective systems of protection and free trade, we remit the discussion of the subject to the people in their Congressional Districts, and the decision of the Congress thereon, wholly free from Executive interference or dictation.

8. The public credit must be sacredly maintained, and we denounce repudiation in every form and guise.

9. A speedy return to specie payment is demanded alike by the highest considerations of commercial morality and honest government.

10. We remember with gratitude the heroism and sacrifices of the soldiers and sailors of the Republic, and no act of ours shall ever detract from their justly earned fame for the full reward of their patriotism.

11. We are opposed to all further grants of lands to railroads or other corporations. The public domain should be held sacred to actual settlers.

12. We hold that it is the duty of the Government, in its intercourse with foreign nations, to cultivate the friendships of peace by treating with all on fair and equal terms, regarding it alike dishonorable either to demand what is not right or to submit to what is wrong.

13. For the promotion and success of these vital principles, and the support of the candidates nominated by this Convention, we invite and cordially welcome the co-operation of all patriotic citizens without regard to previous political affiliations.

For those not familiar with Capitalism, this video is an excellent example.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=916_12408...

To the Byrd and SandraR,

Do you get the distinct feeling that we are the only ones left out here? Crickets chirping is all I can hear. Dissent must be a hard pill to swallow for some. Debate is a curse word and domination is apparently the rule of the day for the other side of the aisle.

Obviously, we must admit that the Democrats now have the whole enchilada now that Alan Specter has become what he has always been. I thought 007 got rid of Spectra back in the 60's along with Dr. NO, but apparently not.

I suppose one of two things is going to happen in the next 4 years. Either the Dems will bail us out of the present doldrums or they'll bury themselves and us with a mountain of debt for our posterity. One thing is for sure, they'll be no one else holding the bag since they presently own all levels of the political playing field.

I hope Obama is even half of what they seem to believe he is. He has a monumental task ahead of him. I do pray for him as God's Word prescribes for all Christians (1 Timothy 2:1-7).

May God have mercy upon our nation!

Roy Hargrave

with this we do agree mijo!!